Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

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Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby JdPat04 » August 12th, 2015, 11:07 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... certainly/


Here's the article

Spoiler:
Update: News broke Tuesday night that Clinton had two classified "top secret" e-mails on her private server and that her attorney has turned over the server and a thumb drive to the FBI. The below post, which we are re-upping, is from March.

Hillary Clinton's defense for having deleted 31,000 personal e-mails from her home server can be summarized in two words: "Trust me." Trust me that I didn't delete anything related to my time at the State Department; trust me that I turned over everything that might be of interest to investigators. In an interview with the Associated Press, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the chairman of the committee looking into the 2012 terror attacks in Benghazi, indicated that he'd be applying the maxim of Ronald Reagan to the claim: Trust, but verify. Albeit maybe without the "trust" part.

Gowdy's request to Clinton? Hand over the server. "Gowdy said he hopes Clinton will turn over the server voluntarily," the AP reported, since "the panel does not have the authority to issue a subpoena for the server." If necessary, the House could vote to issue a subpoena for the device (which is just a bulked-up computer with special software).

But, we wondered, what are the odds any of those 31,000 deleted e-mails would be found if the server is turned over? So we called We Recover Data, a straightforwardly named outfit in New York City, and spoke to engineering supervisor Tom Hakim and director of digital forensics Scott Gibbs. We asked them to consider the setup, which appears to be a box running Windows Server 2008 and using Microsoft Exchange as its e-mail system, neither of which is unusual, and both of which were probably in place at the outset.

Gibbs felt confident that an examination would turn up something. "If I had to put a percentage of success on this, it would be anywhere from 90 to 95 percent successful typically," he said, referring to finding those e-mails. That is: "If no other steps were taken to go in and otherwise make the data inaccessible."

Some explanation is in order. When a file is deleted from your computer, it isn't actually deleted. Instead, the pointer the computer uses to find the file is removed, and the computer treats the space on your hard drive as reusable. Think of an abandoned house on a lot owned by the city. Simple enough to bulldoze and build something new -- but you can still see what the house used to look like.

That doesn't mean that things stick around forever. Computers randomly store data on drives, so that lot could be bulldozed and reused at any point. The more you're doing on the machine, the more likely that is. (The Macintosh operating system offers a "secure delete" option, which overwrites the space on the hard drive with gibberish.) When you defragment a hard drive, it moves everything around, sort of pre-bulldozing the lots, to continue the analogy.


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Exchange databases are a bit different, Hakim said. The database used to store and deliver the e-mails is in something of a gated community, meaning that the bulldozers have a harder time getting inside. (Just so you know, I'm sick of this analogy, too.) Running clean-up operations in Exchange, reducing the footprint of the database (pulling in the community walls!) can do the same thing, but usually Exchange just keeps expanding the size of the database, making it more likely that deleted files can be recovered.

If the file isn't overwritten, "we can recover that," Hakim said flatly. Otherwise? Probably not. That's the key.

What we know about Hillary Clinton's e-mail server(1:42)
The FBI is investigating the security of Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server. Here's what we know about the server, who kept it secure and how that's changed. (Gillian Brockell/The Washington Post)
So let's say that Gowdy got Clinton's server into Gibbs's hands. The first thing he'd do is create a "physical forensic image," which creates an "identical, bit-by-bit, zero-by-zero copy of the original hard drive." That is used for the analysis, because it is read-only and can't be changed. He'd then try to locate the databases used by Exchange, and extract them. Then he'd perform forensic analysis of the unallocated spaces (that is, the abandoned houses) in the database itself.

But if someone came through and did clean up, or if the deleted files were overwritten, Gibbs wouldn't necessarily find anything. Asked how likely it would be that he could tell if someone had specifically tried to cover their tracks by wiping the data, he suggested it was about 70 percent likely. In other words: decent odds that a skilled technician would be able to completely hide his tracks.

Gibbs raised another point: backups. Clinton, he assumed, didn't set up the server herself, requiring a professional to come in and set it up. "I cannot believe that any IT professional who would set this up -- knowing the nature of the data that's going to be on it and the person it's for -- would not have any kind of backup," he said. "It's either incompetence or highly dubious." There are a variety of ways this data can be backed up -- onto another hard drive, to the Internet, to magnetic tape -- and the length of time backups are kept varies. But somewhere deep in the Clinton compound at Chappaqua, those old e-mails may still be accessible on some system other than the server itself.

The odds any of this ever happens? Probably pretty low. There's a lot of political value in hammering Clinton on Benghazi (which is how we got to this point), but forcing her to turn over a server that is only tangentially related to that case requires another level of political effort. Overwritten or not, the odds are good that what Clinton deleted will never be seen again.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby FSUKW » August 12th, 2015, 11:09 pm

Nothing!
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby ericberry14 » August 12th, 2015, 11:09 pm

Nothing... Or she wouldn't have done it
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby JdPat04 » August 12th, 2015, 11:10 pm

FSUKW wrote:Nothing!


Why, isn't it possible to recover the stuff?
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby FSUKW » August 12th, 2015, 11:11 pm

JdPat04 wrote:
FSUKW wrote:Nothing!


Why, isn't it possible to recover the stuff?


Not if here computer forensic people are better than the ones who will look at it.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Y4NK33 PL4N3T » August 12th, 2015, 11:22 pm

FSUKW wrote:
JdPat04 wrote:
FSUKW wrote:Nothing!


Why, isn't it possible to recover the stuff?


Not if here computer forensic people are better than the ones who will look at it.

They won't be.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Muck FcDisney » August 12th, 2015, 11:29 pm

FSUKW wrote:
JdPat04 wrote:
FSUKW wrote:Nothing!


Why, isn't it possible to recover the stuff?


Not if here computer forensic people are better than the ones who will look at it.


Exactly. She had private sector people scrub that shit. Government people will review.

Hell, she could have murdered a small city and covered it up by now.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Eye_of_Horus » August 12th, 2015, 11:33 pm

She had the thing wiped clean.

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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Y4NK33 PL4N3T » August 12th, 2015, 11:43 pm

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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Muck FcDisney » August 12th, 2015, 11:48 pm

Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]

Can I borrow your cat? :drool
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Y4NK33 PL4N3T » August 12th, 2015, 11:53 pm

Muck FcDisney wrote:
Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]

Can I borrow your cat? :drool

:ays

1. I'm white nao?

2. :nuhuh Although it's helmet looks technologically advanced, it will not improve reception for your television. :sadyes
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Muck FcDisney » August 12th, 2015, 11:58 pm

Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:
Muck FcDisney wrote:
Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]

Can I borrow your cat? :drool

:ays

1. I'm white nao?

2. :nuhuh Although it's helmet looks technologically advanced, it will not improve reception for your television. :sadyes


1. Well, first you said you were PR. Then you said you were half-roundeye. If the latter is true, you are 100% white in the eyes of the media.

2. TV? That shit is ready for the grill!
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Y4NK33 PL4N3T » August 13th, 2015, 12:00 am

Muck FcDisney wrote:
Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:
Muck FcDisney wrote:
Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]

Can I borrow your cat? :drool

:ays

1. I'm white nao?

2. :nuhuh Although it's helmet looks technologically advanced, it will not improve reception for your television. :sadyes


1. Well, first you said you were PR. Then you said you were half-roundeye. If the latter is true, you are 100% white in the eyes of the media.

2. TV? That shit is ready for the grill!


1. :thought

2. :timeout No waisis jokes about your own wais.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby gatrnation1 » August 13th, 2015, 12:13 am

Naked Pics!! :shocker :rockin :sex :bananasex :koolaid
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby 08GatorBait » August 13th, 2015, 12:16 am

Either they can pull the documents up, or Hilary went out of her way to make sure they can't be found is what I'm getting from this.


So if they find no evidence because they can't bring back the files...that bitch went Mission Impossible and made the messages self destruct!
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby gatrnation1 » August 13th, 2015, 12:31 am

Not actual hard drive...
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby CraigKressel » August 13th, 2015, 1:01 am

Absolutely nothing she had like 6 months to wipe shit out. She is a multi-millionaire she could have hired an entire IT forensics team and lawyers to comb through it all and make up fake data with emails of her e-mailing Bill like she said or Viagra spam emails.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby CraigKressel » August 13th, 2015, 1:03 am

Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]


You are so fucking dumb I wish you would just commit suicide and do us all a favor.

Regardless if they found anything or not on the hard drive she broke the fucking law and should be in jail, she put national security at risk for secrecy.
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby HUNKERED DOWN DAWG » August 13th, 2015, 1:11 am

Probably some dick pics from Billy boy
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Re: Hilary turned over hard drive. What will be found?

Postby Y4NK33 PL4N3T » August 13th, 2015, 1:29 am

CraigKressel wrote:
Y4NK33 PL4N3T wrote:[ img ]


You are so fucking dumb I wish you would just commit suicide and do us all a favor.

Regardless if they found anything or not on the hard drive she broke the fucking law and should be in jail, she put national security at risk for secrecy.


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